No as far as the game is concerned Necromancy = oblivion and always has, it's just semantics about what name you're giving the powers. Du verpasst deine Chance das kostenlose Produkt der Woche zu erhalten. [–]elmerg 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago (0 children). They might have created or will create some explanation to it. It has a better dice system, better made disciplines and handles Humanity better; clans are better characterized, with less sterotypes and with better clan flaws, and even the Masquerade right now makes more sense (with all the SI around). [–]DADPATROL 5 points6 points7 points 4 days ago (1 child). I somehow try to understand where you try to go with that example but I played normal PnP and the Discord RP and it never got confused...and these are your normal bloodbags having fun. And there actually are clan specific Disciplines in V5, they've just have been absorbed inside other Disciplines, a lot of Setite powers are inside Protean, Dementation is inside Dominate (I'll admit this one is a downgrade), Assamites still got a fair share of rituals under Blood Sorcery and some clans like Ventrue and Toreador have actually gained exclusive Disciplines in the edition. We'll probably never know officially because V5 seems to bent on destroying Bloodline clans as of now. After all, they will most likely explore the dynamics of society outside the conventions of Kindred organizations, which can provide a fresh look into the World of Darkness. It's not like V5 is perfect or better than V20 in every aspect, mind you: it's just generally better and a significative improvement over the old game. 13 Antediluvian 13 Clans, that's the most ancient aspect of distinction about Vampires, lore ignoring that doesn't make much sense. All but the Nagaraja were Cappadocian bloodlines, and the Nagaraja could very reasonably have the minor retcon of having used Cappadocian vitae (and Daitya vitae) to transform themselves into vampires. So you do realize that was the point right? They could have just retconned and said "Guys we had this nice idea for new noble houses, just pretended they were always there" but no, they have to make up some convulted explanation that was not really necessary. Sure, older Sabbat may know, smart neonates may know. The Lamiae are the strong arm, doing what they always did, after their 'rebirth'. As if the malkavian clan would really surrender one of their trump cards to appease camarilla. However, they showcase both remarkable strength with Potence, and sheer willpower via Dominate. V5 apologists drone how the nu-Disciplines are "streamline", but they're literally more convoluted with the shitty Amalgam system than what was before. As far as Oblivion? After all, they will most likely explore the dynamics of society outside the conventions of Kindred organizations, which can provide a fresh look into the World of Darkness. As a result, they remain in touch with a Vampire's base animalistic instincts, being the Clan capable of the closest thing there is to "controlling" the terrifying Beast. [–]Hrigul 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago (0 children), Gameplay wise since the Hecata clan is made by different Bloodlines, you can change the other disciplines, the book says that Giovanni can replace Auspex with Dominate, the Samedi with obfuscate and so on, [–]Iseedeadnames 7 points8 points9 points 4 days ago (23 children). I think I didnt expressed it right. Which from the view of most modern ancilla and fledglings is frankly bullshit. They primarily do this via Protean and Animalism, Disciplines they have mastered that they can tap into forms never-been-imagined. edit: man someone with a v5 hate boner went through and downvoted people for giving factual replies. And more that all those bloodlines srtated to be regonized together as the "hecata clan" until it became a thing. And lore wise, as far as I understand, it was not that they all got together as decided to become BFF. They just botched and retconned the lore to justify the idiotic new "Oblivion" technique that makes no sense. Later books even say that what keeps camarilla in check against presecuting malkavians as a whole actually IS dementation, they are afraid what a few powerful elders with high levels of dementation can do in retaliation, this is written on the revised clanbook. Removing all those exclusive, uber rare redundant disciplines was definitely a good idea for the setting, like removing a festering cancer. Clan Hecata. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. [–]Shakanaka -1 points0 points1 point 2 days ago (0 children). It's not they who decided to call themselves hecata clan, everyone else did and now they are stuck with this identity. Rhenn is a Manila-based content writer with a love for all things geek and pop culture, and science and technology. I think Matthew Dawkins said it very well : we don't know how many bloodlines of kindreds actually exists, Nagarajas could be long lost cousins, after all why not? [–]Iseedeadnames -1 points0 points1 point 1 day ago (5 children). The blood of the Cappadocian was only a tool. The enigmas to solve are what action is best taken now or what action better fits my character's perspective, not what are you supposed to roll. The givanni used to be mere a bloodline before, by their political power they managed to be reconized (socially) as a clan, even thought there were many giovanni members who were tecnichally bloodlines (Dursin, etc) and even capadocian giovanni (who were embraced by capadocians but are loyal to the giovanni). Continue this thread level 1. Some information also says that some Giovanni were already in clandestine meetings and negotiations for various things, like necromantic artifacts and such, here and there with the other necromantic clans. "Saying that's a downgrade means not knowing what a RPG is.". still managed to remove depth from the game and make it a modern day D&D? Thankfully it's a vocal minority echo chambering. Maybe when one of the bloodlines get very powerful again, they might be able to be regonized as it's own thing. I mean, if we are going to just accept that, then the lore doesn't make much sense. Oh please spare the lurid sanctimony. I … Jadasc Registered User. In V5, some Lasombra have joined the ranks of the Camarilla, forming a unique relationship between the two factions. Not exactly... but Martin was pretty open in the beginning about wanting to use VtR as the base but going with the VtM name as it had a greater footprint in public awareness. People may hate v5 retcoms, but they should regonize that sometimes the retcom is better than a convulted explanation. This splitting off led to a 'reunion' of sorts (particularly after the big meeting put forth in Beckett's Jyhad Diary points to this), between all the Clans of Death, with the younger Giovanni joining because of their issues with their elders (or being press-ganged into it) over time. Hello ladies and gentlemen, Capadocio here to say that today at 21 o'clock there will be me, my sister Lamia and Rafael Damacena on our Discord to record another special of V5, this time he will be all focused on the Hecata Clan, the new clan of the death So if you want to listen and participate, just paste there at pm, follow the link. I don't see the value in ignoring the unique aspects of all those bloodlines just for the sake of simplicity. Just saw the number of downvotes for your question. The brief history of Clan Hecata is one of necessity as first principle. You missed the part in my first comment where I mentioned Cappadocian vitae as a retcon to justify the Nagaraja's inclusion as Hecata. choices that you'd go into with the choices. Something like V20 ? Harbingers (and to a lesser extent, the lesser number of Cappadocians in the Hecata) function as spies, information brokers and advisers, … Yep, so definitely what the other poster meant. lolno. Im not that far in the rulebook about how they managed to unify 6 Vampire Bloodlines. Yes, the Nagaraja are obviously the outlier, but they had enough Cappadocian essence within their veins that the ritual of reunification succeeded in swapping the Nagaraja's weakness to be the same as the other Hecata. After all, they deliberately have to make unique viewpoints towards an already-deep World of Darkness. [–]Bearbottle0 5 points6 points7 points 4 days ago (7 children). [–]Manuelm4n 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago (0 children). It offers instead several additional options on different axes that weren't even considered by V20 and earlier, like resonance, customizable Humanity path and blood potency. Lot of folks operating under the misunderstanding that the Hecata are somehow the result of all the necromancers joining hands and singing kumbaya, and not what's tantamount to a coup combined with outside factors such as the fear of the imminent expiry of a promise of neutrality with the Camarilla. Or did … They don't REALIZE these two entities (oWoD and CofD) have different interests and themes they tackle. It doesn't remove strategy from the game, and to be fair the new discipline system does add strategy (since you can only have five powers on the eight possible ones, meaning that you have to choose). Each adds something to the clan. [–]Shakanaka -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 day ago (2 children). The Brujah descended from Vampires known for keen ferocity and discipline - turning them into warrior-kings of ages past. [–]ValeriYo72[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 days ago (0 children), Ok, found the real reason why V5 has all these wierd changes. [–]malkvn 6 points7 points8 points 4 days ago (0 children), [–]malkvn 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago (1 child), [–]GhostsOfZapa 0 points1 point2 points 4 days ago* (0 children). But when I have a Product who was sold me in the past and later a new and "better" version but it lacks content/components (which shouldnt be removed) from the previous Product, its a downgrade. There is no concrete answer like most things in V5; you have conjecture and theory and options (so that it's open for STs to play around with). The Tzimisce, Gangrel, and Followers of Set don't share a clan founder, don't act like its the same thing, it's intellectually dishonest and harms your argument. One conjecture states that the Capuchin did a ritual to 'detach' their blood from the source which has altered it, while another conjecture states that the Clans all come from the same source, and the 'reunion' is causing everything to resonate back to the 'baseline' that they come from, while another talks about the change in terms of old purges and why they don't feel the Beckoning. The Hecata function as a conglomerate with a fair bit of factionalism, with the Giovanni acting as the 'common face' of the Clan, due to them being more populous, who still present a similar 'mercenary' attitude towards the rest of the world that they always have. Players who want to immediately immerse in Masquerade's inter-Clan politicks will appreciate the Ventrue's status of royalty. [–]Smirnoffico -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 days ago (0 children), Yes, it's pretty bad. The variations in the bloodline disciplines are now explained as just different views/names/powers of the same discipline. Perhaps from a different Team ? So V5 consolidating mechanical redundancy and making one Clan of Death without bulldozing the personalities of all the various strains of vampiric necromancer is the aim. The non-existence of Chimerstry as a distinct Discipline was expected, given that clan-specific Disciplines aren’t a thing in V5, but the Ravnos also drop Fortitude in favor of Obfuscate. This is made more complex by some of the bloodlines embracing this nickname. Because you specifically dislike it? 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If he's not playing video games, he's probably playing TTRPGs. even the Masquerade right now makes more sense (with all the SI around). Unlike other Cainites, the Tremere originiated as House Tremere within the order of Mages. [–]Bearbottle0 1 point2 points3 points 4 days ago (1 child). [–]Iseedeadnames -2 points-1 points0 points 1 day ago (3 children). Why did White Wolf reboot their setting with the Chronicles rulesets? Reply . The history, structure, and ambitions of the Hecata, the vampire group known as the Clan of Death, as well as a chapter dedicated to playing a vampire among the Necromancers, and the rituals for their signature Discipline: Oblivion. In turn, Hecata works well with players who love roleplaying but don't want to deep-dive into Masquerade lore. V5 is definitely not better than any of V20 or the older editions. Vampires in Vampire: The Masquerade live inside the World of Darkness, a dark world with conspiracies and various secrets. Taking Changeling the Dreaming as example, there is the whole sidhe houses stuff. [–]AccordLands 2 points3 points4 points 4 days ago (0 children). Nosferatu who dwell in the Sewers? That's fine but it has nothing to do with with was being talked about, which is why it got renamed to Oblivion. Likewise, their Discipline of Domination make them terrifying opponents. How and more important for myself, why did the Lasombra mixed /changed it so others can use it. That's a good argument, but those exceptions make the whole thing questionable. Thanks to a ritual, the Tremere discarded their magical abilities in order to become vampires. V5 is only trying to fix all those issues created in 2nd edition that no one wanted to correct in Revised or V20. [–]Blue_Shalidor -1 points0 points1 point 3 days ago (0 children). First off I was not comparing it to colonialism, just to people who don't care to know about differences in other groups. In turn, perhaps the more thematic Obfuscate might serve the purposes of a newbie playing a Vampire mage. Unique among the Antediluvians, Cappadocius viewed the Embrace as a unique opportunity to examine the condition of death and unlife. No, but like i said im not that far and im 100% sure there are people out there who know it better then i ever will. The Hecata look for many childer among miscreants of all kinds. Gangrel who hone their skills can tap into the Discipline of Fortitude, giving them incredible durability. Though they do not control any widespread mortal crime empires, the clan appreciates the practiced killer, the cold-blooded money launderer, and the charming con artist. Also afaik a number of the original leaders part of the White Wolf group before Paradox reabsorbed it did have a very particular vision for V5 but I think most or all of those people(Ericson etc) are gone. Another factor was that the Promise of 1528was rumored to soon be coming to an end after an unspecified 500-year time limit. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 14530 on r2-app-0b865ed2c39beee0d at 2021-02-17 10:03:24.464042+00:00 running 7673918 country code: JP. The trash called V5 doesn't amount to a single creative bone the previous editions commanded. For the drive by downvoters that always pull this in these discussions, fuck off. Edit: Basically everyone from hecata has it, "for reasons". None of this is 'holding hands' though, and the joining together is not 'yay we're one big happy family now!' For example, the Hecata formed prior to the V5 core. You sell the franchise short. [–]TheDeezus_19 7 points8 points9 points 4 days ago (0 children), [–]Manuelm4n -1 points0 points1 point 4 days ago (9 children). [–]derd4100 2 points3 points4 points 3 days ago (0 children). Unfortunately, Nosferatu suffer from having hideous physical appearances after their Kiss. V20:DA Night Cry (Vitreous Path) Question. Worse this garbage Touchstone system is lauded to supposedly give more "roleplay", but what about players who DON'T want Touchstones if it'd be usual for the characters they have to have Touchstones? The Second Inquisition proved their bonafides by killing the most powerful known vampires in the world as well as destroying a place thought invincible to its magical defenses. Newcomers to the Vampire The Masquerade TTRPG might have trouble choosing their clan. Other clans and sects made distinctions about them, the Sabbat should know the difference between Giovanni and Harbingers of Skulls, and I think everyone would agree that Nagaraja are something else. It was a sensible choice, not lazy decision. Where does, exactly, OWoD VtM beats it? Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. As far as the 'same blood' there's a lot of speculation and conjecture in the book. [–]Rucs3 4 points5 points6 points 4 days ago (8 children). Thats strange because when I click on it works (PC). Its something that parallels the modern political situation we find our selves in IRL. Also believing in the heat death of the universe and that everything in the universe is just a long process of decay/death and that we (Hecatas) must be here to witness it all. good for you, but my point still stands that all the issues and benefits of the hecata change are just par for the course in V5. They all move among each other and work together, but each has a role and goal within the Hecata at large. which is dumb but okay. Together, they represent a new, (mostly) unified Clan of Death comprising Kindred bloodlines who practice necromancy through the use of Oblivion. [–]malkvn 6 points7 points8 points 4 days ago* (5 children). Lassombra in V20 got Obtenebration). [–]PuzzleheadedBear 3 points4 points5 points 3 days ago (0 children). On another note, I dont see how a Brujah, Ventrue, Tremere, or Ravnos would play the same in this game. I mean I never was interested in vampires ( I always found them gay and lame) untill I got intruduced to V20. Likewise, they might want to stay clear from some Clans with rather complex narratives. The same way the camarilla malkavian supressed dementation and then later learned it again. Brujah, Gangrel, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Toreador, Tremere, Venture, Caitiff, Thin-bloods, Salubri (Companion Guide), Ravnos (Companion Guide), Tzimisce (Companion Guide), The Ministry (Anarch Book & Cults of the Blood Gods), Banu Haqim (Camarilla Book), Lasombra (Chicago Book) and Hecata (Cults of the Blood Gods Book) are also … RELATED: Witcher 3: 10 Vampire Slayer Tips To Kill Dettlaff. Instead of maybe revising the Hierarchy of Sins to be a little less punishing and slightly be accurate to the cavalcades of morality, they give us the stupid system where you have situations where a cold-hardened Elder from a previous edition NOW and MUST have a Touchstone despite most being completely detached from humanity already. Good for them if they can enjoy it. Is it explained how this "Oblivion" was created? And V5 is a new edition a new timeline. These amalgams line up with the 1-dot and 2-dot … [–]malkvn 3 points4 points5 points 4 days ago (1 child). Millennial Louisa-Giovanni has much more in common with Zoomer JeanMark-Samedi, and Gen-X Seohyun-Nagaraja than with her own great-great-great grandsire/aunt. [–]Rucs3 5 points6 points7 points 4 days ago (10 children). The history, structure, and ambitions of the Hecata, the vampire group known as the Clan of Death, as well as a chapter dedicated to playing a vampire among the Necromancers, and the rituals for their signature Discipline: Oblivion. Because every clan feelt different. Your rolls are, in order of powers: Manipulation+Intimidate, Manipulation+Leadership, Wits+Subterfuge, Charisma+Leadership, Charisma+Intimidation. Hecata is the new name for the “Clan of death” in V5. Some Losombra may even still call it obtenebration as that's all just flavor text. there is two sides in this stuff, one is system wise, other one is lore wise. Unfortunately, players might want to try out Ventrue first before getting into Lasombra. It goes against the design decisions of V5. Since I was talking about Disciplines making them less distinctive or more common which harms the Role Playing perspective because having extra rules regarding makes for a better and IMO a smooth experience. They're all also preparing for the expiration of The Promise, which there are a few things said about in regards to, but nothing major. When some exceptions are "exceptoiner" than others I question them. In my headcanon the new kindred must go through a ritual to gain Lamia's kiss. I never liked the need to consume flesh, so swapping that out for the Hecata's weakness is at least a consolation prize. [–]Shakanaka -2 points-1 points0 points 2 days ago (1 child). [–]Juwelgeist 46 points47 points48 points 4 days ago (11 children). Interestingly, new players who want to play a Vampire without any strict ties to a large group might appreciate being in Hecata. Don't hold your breath for a new ruleset though. Not all share the connection to Cappadocious, but because of their "theme" they went that way. Cults of the Blood Gods spurred my interest in playing a character of the recently formed Hecata clan. Despite being highly-conversational (and even political) Clans, the Lasombra's brutal and rigid upbringing can be hard to roleplay for newcomers who naturally need new information a Lasombra should "already know.".
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